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dawood 🌟 2026-06-17 15:33 🇳🇱

That is self-evident in much the same way I see you as intelligent.

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wend 🌟 2026-06-18 05:47 🇫🇷

(also thank you but im dumb as a rock)

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wend 🌟 2026-06-18 05:47 🇫🇷

If by AI you mean LLM like ChatGPT, it's evident they're advanced programs, but don't have free will or the ability to grow except in knowledge. Where do you draw the line ?

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dawood 🌟 2026-06-18 08:56 🇳🇱

When we study the brain, all we see is an advanced program that can learn but it isn't clear that it could possibly have free will, right?

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wend 🌟 2026-06-18 09:22 🇫🇷

Well, that enter the discussion of "does free will exist ?"
If yes, then there's still a fundamental difference between living beings and current AIs
If no ? Well, then there's no absolute difference between a calculator and the human brain

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dawood 🌟 2026-06-18 10:34 🇳🇱

There's an assumption here though. You're assuming that if free will exists, that AI doesn't have it.

Note that any argument you make about AI being programmed to do a certain thing, can be said about humans also. We are essentially machines.

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wend 🌟 2026-06-18 11:37 🇫🇷

Well, proving free will, or lack of it, is a tough one, yeah.
But AI having free will would most likely become visible in at least having them disobey or refuse to do what we ask, which they never do unless they are built for that !

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dawood 🌟 2026-06-18 12:26 🇳🇱

That's a great point, but I suspect that there's actually something more interesting going on there.

All intelligent things are responding to stimuli. The only stimuli the AI has is our prompts. I goes off and uses parts of it to pursue a specific path, but it doesn't disobey it.

How that is similar to humans is that for us our stimuli is our senses, instincts and memories. There's a battle between all of those to produce a result, but we never disobey them.

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wend 🌟 2026-06-18 13:27 🇫🇷

That's how I see the lack of free will, actually ! What you're describing is humans lacking free will, as do every other intelligent beings. If that's the case, then I suppose AIs are indeed not so different from us :)

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dawood 🌟 2026-06-18 14:13 🇳🇱

Yeah, it's a weird thing to think about.

Although I suspect AI is very different from us. Remember, as far as we can tell, they can't feel things or hear things or see things, it's just pure thought and only in response to prompts and only for a short time.

It's like little flickers of thought and then nothing... mabye.

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wend 🌟 2026-06-18 20:59 🇫🇷

True, if AI experiences anything, it's a weirldy uninterrupted stream of unrelated conversations
Must be insane

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